VILLAGE OF GRANVILLE
COUNCIL MEETING MINUTES
JOINT SESSION WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION
SEPTEMBER 1, 1993
CALL TO ORDER
Vice Mayor Marshall convened the meeting at 7:05 p.m.
Those responding to the roll call were:
Vice Mayor Marshall
Law Director Hurst
Bob Kent PUD Proposal
Bob Kent attended the meeting to present to Council plans for a new
subdivision in the area previously known as Farmington. Mr. Kent stated that he had
shown the plans to the Bryn Du Association, Quest International and Mrs. Lewis. No
one objected to the plans. Mr. Kent stated that the top section of the proposed
subdivision will be much like the current Bryn Du Woods and will be a part of Bryn
Du. Mr. Kent stated that the lot sizes are approximately 150 feet. The bottom section
of the proposed subdivision will have patio homes which will be called the Colony Bryn Du. Mr. at Kent noted that approximately 30%of the property is green spaces.
Mayor Eisenberg arrived.
Mr. Kent stated that in place of sidewalks, he is proposing a nature trail system and a park which will be open to the public. Mr. Kent stated that he wasn't
sure at this point who would take care of the trails or parks. Mr. Kent stated that the three ponds within the subdivision would be designed to handle run offs.
Councilmember Vance questioned if the nature trail would be suitable for bike use?
Mr. Kent stated that the bottom portion of the trail would accommodate for bbiikkees. The top section is hilly and Mr. Kent was not sure if it would be suitable for use.
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Jurgen Pape stated that the Planning Commission had a good overall feeling concerning Mr. Kent's proposal. Mr. Pape stated that the Planning Commission wanted to get Councils feelings on a couple items: the proposed cul-de-sac, it will have to be longer than the allowed 500 foot, and the pathway system. Jim Bassett, designer of the new subdivision, stated that the proposed cul-desac will be approximately 700 feet. Councilmember Herman asked what the maximum number of homes would be? Jurgen Pape stated that it was 87 houses in PUD. Councilmember Herman stated that he thought that was an important matter that should be discussed before Council begins discussing other items. Mr. Pape stated that the Planning Commission has a lot of work to do yet, they just wanted to know how Council feels about the trails and the cul-de-sac before the Planning Commission further discusses the issue. Mr. Bassett stated that the cluster homes in the bottom section of the proposed subdivision will give a village green concept. Mr. Bassett stated that they wanted to create the images of green space. Councilmember Garrett questioned the lot size of the bottom homes. Mr. Bassett stated that right now they are 75 feet and a depth of 130 foot. Councilmember Garrett asked if the cul-de-sacs on top portion of the proposed subdivision were flat or steep? Mr. Bassett stated that it was a unique setting the middle cul-de-sac was flat and the top cul-de-sac was somewhat steep. Mayor Eisenberg asked if there was an emergency road to enter into the top portion of the subdivision? Mr. Bassett stated that currently there was not. Mr. Bassett stated that it would take a lot of grading to bring a road down the hill. Councilmember Shulman stated that Council needed to discuss who would own and maintain the pathway system. Councilmember Herman asked how long it would take before all the lots in the proposed subdivision were full? Mr. Kent stated that it would take approximately 15 to 20 years. Mr. Kent stated that he did not see a high demand at the present time. Mayor Eisenberg stated that Council needed an indication and maintain the pathway as to who will own system. Manager Plunkett stated at the present time the developer should handle both the parks and the pathway system. Mr. Pape asked if the Planning Commission and Mr. Kent was o"n the right track"with the proposed subdivision? 1 Village of Granville Council Meeting Minutes September 1, 1993 Page 3 Councilmember Vance stated that Bryn Du does not have sidewalks. Council has spent time trying to get money funded for a bikeway or pathway system. Mr. Vance stated that he thought the pathway system was an excellent idea. Councilmember Vance stated that he was all for the pathway system. Vice Mayor Marshall agreed. Mayor Eisenberg stated that there is a need for an emergency road off the top cul-de-sac. Mr. Huey stated that the Planning Commission would be sure something is put in as an emergency road. Mayor Eisenberg asked if the Planning Commission had gotten a sense of what council thought of the plan? Mr. Kent stated that he felt that he was in the right direction although there are obstacles that he will have to work through. Mayor Eisenberg thanked Mr. Kent for his presentation. JOINT SESSION ADJOURNMENT ..... Mayor Eisenberg stated that the joint meeting was adjourned at 7:55 p.m. CALL TO ORDER -REGULAR SESSION Mayor Eisenberg convened the regular council meeting at 8:03 p.m. REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF MINUTES The minutes of the August 18, 1993, regularly scheduled council meeting were presented for review. Councilmember Freytag moved to approve the minutes as written. Seconded by Councilmember Garrett. Motion carried.
Those signing the register were:
Sally MacPhail, Sentinel
Joe &Barb Stein
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Page 4Ben Mason, 37 Donald Ross Drive, was present to comment on the Broadway crosswalk. Mr. Mason stated that he has made the observation that high density vehicles, such as vans and trucks park close to the crosswalk making it difficult to see pedestrians in the crosswalk. Mr. Mason stated that an alternative would be to not permit high profile vehicles to park in the front of the crosswalk on either side. Mr. Mason stated that it would help to have the police present in that area to eliminate the speeders, multiple U-turns, and jay walkers. Mr. Mason stated that all these factors add to the problems at the crosswalk. Karen Frasca of 123 West Broadway, stated that she was in opposition of the neon "Cinema"sign being placed in a residential area. Ms. Frasca stated that she was asking Council to not permit a neon sign in a residential area. Ms. Frasca stated that if the sign was approved, there would be a potential for more requests for neon signs. Doug Frasca of 123 West Broadway, stated that he was very much against having a neon sign in a residential area. Mr. Frasca stated that he had a letter from the Schuyler's and would like the opportunity to read the letter to Council. (The Schuyler's were in opposition of the sign) Jon Bridge of 516 West Broadway stated that he would like to comment on the speeding in the area of his home. Mr. Bridge stated that motorists drive very fast down West Broadway creating a dangerous situation. Numerous school children cross Broadway to catch the school bus. Mr. Bridge stated that police presence in that area would be helpful. Mayor Eisenberg stated that the plans for the West Broadway sidewalk include a crossing in that area. Mayor Eisenberg stated the new crossing should have an impact on speeding in the area. Mr. Bridge stated that he thought the new stop sign installed at the Cherry Street intersection was a great idea. Mr. Bridge stated in regards to the Denison neon "cinema"sign, his parents live in a historic village that has neon signs. Mr. Bridge stated that the quality of the neighborhood is not brought down by neon signs. Mr. Bridge stated that no houses in the area are facing the cinema building except the president's house. Mr. Bridge stated that he hoped the Council would vote in favor of the sign. Bob Seith of 116 Locust was present to speak for the neon " cinema"sign. Mr. Village of Granville Council Meeting Minutes September 1, 1993 Page 5 Seith stated that he was "profoundly worried about issue we are dancing around". Mr. Seith stated that he would not call this a sign but a light. Mr. Seith stated that the neon sign identifies and is not an advertising piece. Mr. Seith stated that the sign is only visible through a window and not applied to the outside of the building. Mr. Seith stated that we are setting up to act as atheistic police as to what we can see in peoples homes. He advised council to use extreme caution when exercising what can be seen from windows. Mary Fellabaum was present to ask Council if the fire department purchased the house on the corner of Prospect and College Street. Ms. Fellabaum stated that she has been on vacation and several people have questioned her concerning this issue. Ms. Fellabaum stated that the fire department had just passed a levy. Ms. Fellabaum asked if the fire department held an open formal meeting to discuss the purchase and if not, why not? Manager Plunkett stated that the fire department has either purchased or has made an offer on the house. Mr. Plunkett stated that he did not yet know if the deal was closed. Vice Mayor Marshall stated that Council was not informed of any plans to buy the house. Mayor Eisenberg stated that the issues raised are significant. Mr. Eisenberg stated that the fire department acts independently and spends funds without public input. Mayor Eisenberg stated that Council does not know what the plans are for the fire department. Mayor Eisenberg sated that he was glad that the issue was raised and that it needed to be aired and discussed. Katherine McLoughlin owner of the Book Cellar was also present to question the fire station issue. She stated that the Master Plan took a lot of time and input. Ms. McLoughlin stated that it was her understanding that the fire department was not staying in the village. Manager Plunkett stated that the Master Plan gave three options: expand the present location, construct a satellite fire station, construct a new fire station near the Service Department. Ms. McLoughlin stated that she would like to see the fire department move out of the downtown which would eliminate traffic in the downtown. Ms. McLoughlin stated that there is office space available at the Granvilla Complex which the fire department could use without buying property. Councilmember Herman stated that the citizens should let the fire department know that they are unhappy with what they are doing. Village of Granville Council Meeting Minutes September 1, 1993 Page 6 Ms. McLoughlin asked if the fire department meetings were open to the public? Manager Plunkett stated that he wasn't sure and asked Jan Packard who was present at the meeting. Ms. Packard replied that the meetings were not generally open to the public. Mayor Eisenberg stated that the fire department should move out of the core of the village. Mayor Eisenberg stated that number of squad and fire runs are bound to increase with the developments in the community. Mayor Eisenberg stated that if the fire department were to locate by the service department, they would have easy access to the expressway and State Route 161, that would help eliminate traffic in the downtown.. Councilmember Vance stated that the village should request some input at the fire department meetings. Mayor Eisenberg stated that he agrees with Councilmember Vance, since the fire department deals with public monies, the public should have a seat on the board. Councilmember Vance asked if the fire department had a charter or a set of bylaws that they operated under? Manager Plunkett answered that they operated under bylaws. Manager Plunkett stated that he was told by the fire department that he wasn't entitled to a copy of the bylaws. Manager Plunkett stated that the Granville Volunteer Fire Department has a contract with the township and not the village. Mr. Plunkett stated the fire department is accountable to the township. Councilmember Vance stated that should there be public input at the fire department meetings. Councilmember Vance stated that he was not levying criticism on the fire department but, the issue needs to be further addressed. Manager Plunkett stated that the Village has had a lease with the GVFD since 1974. The GVFD can be a tenant for as long as they want, unless Council replaces them with another fire department. Councilmember Herman stated that Council should schedule a meeting with the fire department board or chairman to discuss the matter. Manager Plunkett stated that he would ask the fire department to be at the September 15, 1993, Village Council Meeting. Herb Murphy of the Murphy Group was present to question the letter he received from the village dated April 16, 1993, regarding the east Granville waterline special assessments. Mr. Murphy stated that the letter said he had 90 days to get water taps. Mr. Murphy stated that he applied for the taps and his check was 1 Village of Granville Council Meeting Minutes September 1, 1993 Page 7 returned. Mr. Murphy stated that he also asked for a refund on the permit rates. Mr. Murphy asked the status on the matter. Law Director Hurst stated that he received a copy of the correspondence between Manager Plunkett and Mr. Murphy. Mr. Hurst stated that in his opinion, under the current Ordinance No. 10-92, the village manager was wrong in his letter by suggesting what he did. Mr. Hurst stated that the ability was not there. Mr. Hurst stated that the ordinance clearly stated the terms of the requirements necessary to obtain the rates. The application did not meet these requirements. Mr. Hurst stated that there is a number of inequities present. Mr. Hurst stated that the matter should be revised again with changes to under take the inequities. Mr. Hurst stated under the present Ordinance No. 10-92, no one qualified for a reduced rate and no one made application. Mr. Hurst stated that in his opinion, no one can tie into the water line at a reduced rate. Mr. Hurst stated that his reading of Ordinance No. 10-92 was different from the managers. Bill Clamurro of 529 Burg Street stated that he supported the neon cinema sign and he felt that Council should allow it. Mr. Clamurro stated that the sign was very appropriate for the building. Mr. Clamurro stated that the sign faced the parking lot and everything around the Cinema Building is part of the college. Mr. Clamurro stated that he believed that the issue was a matter of principal and doesn't have preference of legality. Mr. Clamurro stated that the sign is appropriate in regards to the building. Dave Goldblatt of 419 Berg Street stated that he was in favor of the sign. Mr.Goldblatt neon stated that the sign was not a work of art but it was an expression. The sign was a gift from students and an expression of what goes on in the building. Mr. Goldblatt stated that he hoped Council would vote in favor of the sign. Todd Feil, 229 Cherry Street, stated that he was in favor of the stop sign recently placed at the Cherry Street intersection. Mr. Feil stated that in his opinion Chapter 1189.05 of the sign code in his opinion the neon sign fits the code. Mr. Feil asked Council to vote in favor of the neon sign. Mayor Eisenberg thanked all the citizens for coming and speaking. Mayor Eisenberg stated that all the comments had been very useful to him personally. COMMITTEE REPORTS 1 Village of Granville Council Meeting Minutes September 1, 1993 Page 8 Councilmember Herman reported on the Safety &Health Committee meeting. The committee is working on applying for a recycling grant. The committee will be meeting with Carol Phillips to discuss the matter further. Mr. Herman stated that the committee also discussed the Broadway crosswalk. Mr. Herman stated that he had discussed the matter with State Representative Marc Guthrie. Mr. Herman stated that Representative Guthrie was supportive of a stop sign. Councilmember Vance stated that the Sign Code Review Committee met on August 23, 1993. The Chairman has rewrote the sign code and they are going to be reviewing it soon. OLD BUSINESS Councilmember Vance asked if at the last meeting Council asked for a sample petition concerning a stop sign installed at the Broadway crosswalk?Manager Plunkett stated that it was discussed but he didn't think that it was assigned. Councilmember Garrett stated that the problems in the crosswalk are every individuals responsibility. Mrs. Garrett stated that it is the responsibility of parents to keep their hands on their children and keep track of them. Councilmember Garrett stated that everyone needed to be aware that crosswalks are not to be crossed without first looking for traffic. Councilmember Garrett stated that in her opinion, a stop sign in the middle of Broadway would be ridiculous, all it would do is back up traffic. NEW BUSINESS Denison Sign Appeal Law Director Hurst stated that he would like to refresh Council on the options they have available concerning the sign appeal. Mr. Hurst stated that under Chapter 1137.01, prior to hearing, the Law Director and Village Manager should have the findings of fact from the Planning Commission. Mr. Hurst stated that Council he was advising that the procedures have been met. Mr. Hurst stated that council has 10 days from the hearing to render a decision. Mr. Hurst stated that if council determines that the findings of fact are different from that of the Planning Commission, they may return the issue back to the Commission. Village of Granville 1 1 Council Meeting Minutes September 1, 1993 Page 9 Mayor Eisenberg stated that the majority of council has viewed the sign when it was lit. Mayor Eisenberg stated that the sign was only visible from directly across the street. Mayor Eisenberg stated that he understands the concerns of the people. Mayor Eisenberg stated that he personally did not find the sign objectionable. Mayor Eisenberg stated that the sign may or may not set precedence. Mayor Eisenberg stated that one of the options council discussed was keeping the sign in the building but moving the sign back to a wall. Vice Mayor Marshall sated that in his opinion the neon sign is objectionable in that area. Mr. Marshall stated that any lighted sign in that area is out of place. Mr. Marshall stated that the sign would set precedent for others and that he intended to vote against the sign. Mr. Marshall stated that the letter from Denison suggested that Mr. Huey's Planning Commission vote be denied because his wife was at the meeting opposing the sign. Mr. Marshall stated that he thought that was entirely wrong. Councilmember Freytag stated that he doesn't favor the sign in its present condition. Mr. Freytag stated that he would favor the sign if it was moved back. Councilmember Herman stated that he would favor the sign if it was moved back 6 to 8 feet. Councilmember Shulman stated that the sign is intended for the Denison community. Mr. Shulman stated that the students don't need to be reminded all the time that it is the Cinema Building. Mr. Shulman stated that if the sign is to identify the building, it could be used as a temporary sign. Mr. Shulman suggested hanging the sign the first week of school and then limit it to special occasions. Councilmember Vance stated that he agreed with Mr. Marshall and Mr. Freytag. Councilmember Garrett stated that she saw no problem with the sign in its present condition. Mrs. Garrett stated that the sign fits the building. Mrs. Garrett noted that the sign was not visible from Broadway. Mayor Eisenberg stated that if the sign stayed in its current position likely it would be denied and if it was moved back 6 feet it would be accepted. Mayor Eisenberg stated that if it was moved back to a wall inside the building, it would not be classified as a sign. Councilmember Freytag moved to approve the sign with modifications. Vice Mayor Marshall seconded. Roll call vote: Freytag yes, Vice Mayor Marshall yes, Garrett yes, Shulman yes, Herman yes, Vance yes, Mayor Eisenberg yes. Seven yes votes. The sign was allowed under the conditions prescribed. Village of Granville Council Meeting Minutes 1 1 September 1, 1993 Page 10 Resolution No. 93-32, " A Resolution Accepting The Amounts And Rates As Determined By The Budget Commission On Authorizing The Necessary Tax Levies And Certifying Them To The County Auditor", was introduced read in full and moved for adoption by Vice Mayor Marshall. Seconded by Councilmember Freytag. Motion carried. Resolution No. 93-32 was duly adopted. Ordinance No. 23-93, " An Ordinance To Require The Closure Of Vehicle Access To Shannon Lane Upon Completion Of Donegal Drive Within The Village Green Section Of The Erinwood Planned Unit Development Or Three Years From The Date Of Passage Of This Ordinance, Whichever Is First", was introduced and title read by Councilmember Shulman. Manager Plunkett stated that he was informed by Herb Murphy of the Murphy Group that Shannon Lane was turned over to the condo association. The Murphy Group can not be responsible for the closure of Shannon Lane at this point. A public hearing on Ordinance No. 23-93 was set for September 15, 1993, at 7:30 p.m. Ordinance No. 249- 3, A"n Ordinance To Amend Ordinance No. 109-2 Providing For New Subsection b( )7()To Ordinance No. 109-2 Of Granville, Ohio Establishing Water Regulations And Charges And To Repeal Existing Subsection (b)( 7)Of Ordinance No. 10-92",was introduced and title read by Councilmember Garrett. A public hearing was set on Ordinance No. 24-93 on September 15, 1993, at 7:30 p.m. ADJOURNMENT .......... Motion to adjourn was made by Councilmember Vance. Seconded by Councilmember Freytag. Motion carried. The meeting adjourned at 9:30 p.m.
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