GRANVILLE PLANNING COMMISSION
Members Present: Jack Burriss, Richard Salvage,Bill Wernet,Carl Wilkenfeld V(ice ChairB),arbara Lucier O( bserver)
Members Absent: Bernie Lukco,Keith Myers ( Chair)
Also Present:Kathryn Wimberger,Village Planner
Visitors Present:Scott Rawden Sentine/B)e,n and Nadine Rader,Tod Darfus,Greg
Ross,Laura Andujar,Robert O'Neill,Bob Kent,Larry Parr,Fred Abraham,Wayne Lindstrom,M.A. Cohen,Brenda Mix
The Vice Chairman called the meeting to order.
Citizen's Comments: none
The Vice Chair swore in all those who planned to speak.)
Minutes of December 13,1999:
Page 4, second paragraph from bottom,C "onsensus of the group believes the
plans to be good,but Mr. Wilkenfeld had some reservations."
MR. SALVAGE MOVED TO APPROVE MINUTES AS AMENDED. MR.
BURRISS SECONDED,AND MOTION WAS UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED.
Tod Darfus,233 East Broadway - AC units
The applicant is seeking approval for two air conditioners, one on either side of the
house. The one on the east is less than 10' from the side property line and will need a variance from BZBA. Mr. Darfus is extensively remodeling the home and stated the A.C.
units need to be located close to the furnace for maximum efficiency. Landscaping
hemlocks)will be added in the spring. The sound should not be a problem since neighbors
will also be running their A.C. with windows closed. Others in the area have units also.
MR SALVAGE MOVED TO APPROVE APPLICATION WITH THE
FOLLOWING CONDITIONS: (1)APPROVAL FROM BZBA FOR
VARIANCE AND (2)LANDSCAPING TO BE PLANTED WITHIN 6
MONTHS. MR..BURRISS SECONDED,AND IT WAS UNANIMOUSLY
Benjamin and Nadine Rader,311 East College Street
Ms. Wimberger stated the applicants want to make several changes: 1( )add
second story to existing side porch and enclose;2 ()balcony porch on rear3;()add bay
window on east side;4 ()new balcony with removable handrail on west side;and 5( )new
front door and lights. She thought these changes may have been features when the house
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was built. The plans will aesthetically enhance the house,and materials will match. Mr.
Rader explained that the foundation would not take new flooring and so they decided to
Mr. Burriss asked exactly where the elevations would be located on the drawings.
and how the balcony relates to the house. Mr. Rader said they are keeping the same door
and adding lights. The roof will be black.
MR. SALVAGE MOVED TO APPROVE APPLICATION WITH THE
CONDITION THAT THE ROOF OVER THE ADDITION AND OVER THE
BAY WINDOW BE BLACK. MR„.BURRISS SECONDED,AND IT WAS
Ross IGA,484 South Main Street
The applicants have made some changes to their plans and would like more input
from GPC. Laura Andujar,Architect, explained the plans: the parking, the second- floor
area, rear facade, etc. Making the front facade an even plane is a possibility,though it
would create a huge building expanse begging relief. They will do the addition in two
phases,but they want total approval from the start. Parking needs to be as close to the
building as possible;having parking in the rear,with no rear entrance,would be difficult
for shoppers and unsafe. They entryway needs to be enhanced.
Mr. Wilkenfeld thought they might not require as much parking as the code
requires,and Mr. Salvage suggested the applicants decide how much parking they need
and apply for a variance.
The Colony at Bryn Du,Robert Kent
The planners are still uncertain whether to install a connecting road to Glyn Tawel.
They have talked with Keith Myers,who is strongly in favor of leaving the road in. Mr.
Myers had some other concerns: 1 ()Add landscaping to rear ofLot 2#facing Newark-
Granville;2 ()put stone at the back of 2#and add windows at the back and side face of
garage;3 ()enter garages from side so no one willlook into garages. Mr.O'Neill
presented an alternate plan for Lots # 1 and 2, saying they want to keep fronts of houses
facing the central green area rather than facing Newark-Granville Road. If they turn
buildings around,they lose continuity. Another option is to have #1 and # 2 face the
Mr. Wilkenfeld said his primary concern is how the project works into the existing
neighborhood. This is a major entry into the Village,and he is concerned about visual
impact along the TCOD with houses this close to the main road. Although he likes the
green at the center,what happens to greenspace on Newark- Granville Road. He wonders
whether there might be another approach . People who live or drive along there now
enjoy the greenspace,and Mr. Wilkenfeld feels a responsibility to the community at large.
Mr. Kent reviewed the originally approved PUD plans and the covenants in place
for the project. He has decreased the number ofunits and added a lot ofgreenspace and is
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reluctant to because grant any more open areas. They cannot move the project farther back it would impact existing homes.
Mr. Wimberger iterated Mr.Myers' concerns:
Orientation of 1#and 2#and the fact that landscaping is a necessity
Without a connecting road,this is a huge cutd- es-ac in and out. People can't get through to Glyn Tawel to ensure community spirit.
Mr. Rader stated that in the covenants each unit in Phase IV is to be 2500 sq.ft.,
but these would only be 1800 sq.ft. Mr.Kent said that is not correct. The units in the
Colony were always intended to be smaller. Ms. Wimberger will check her records on this
matter,and so will Mr. Kent. Mr.Parr added that in order to get to 2500 sq.ft.,they would have to build two-story houses.
LuAnn Duffus,President,Home Owners'Association,does not feel Mr.Myers
took sufficient time to hear her out. She thinks a road would provide inconvenience and
higher cost: 1( )she prefers less concrete and more greenspace2; ()every time you have
another road,there's the possibility of accidents;3 ()there's no real benefit to having a road here;the road should go to Jones Road. 4( )She appreciates Mr.Wilkenfeld's
concerns and his taking responsibility seriously.5 ()Property owners do not want the road,
and the developer does not want it. 6( )Costs would be higher. D( Mr. Myers talked
about good planning,but good planning designs a road where people want it. (9)People
invested in their property knowing there would be so many square feet between their back
yards and this development. ( 10)More landscaping could be planted as buffer.
Mr. Salvage asked whether the developer could come up with a way for
emergency access only,and Ms. Duffus said they talked about that and it probably could
be done. Mr..Kent said there is a product made that is concrete that looks like grass.
Brenda Mix asked about trees alone Newark-Granville Road and lights shining in
her windows and what the entryway would look like. Mr. Parr described the entryway
and said 200+trees would be moved along the front area.
Michael Cohen echoed opinions of other Glyn Tawel residents and said the vote
was unanimous against the road.
Mr. Burriss had some thoughts:
He wants to hear Mr. Myers give his opinions
At the Master Plan Committee we studied Randal Arendt's book and he said build
golf course communities without golf courses. This plan is in keeping with that idea.
In the alternate plan, Lot #1 is like a leftover lot
Mr. Arendt said a good community is made up of good neighborhoods. This plan
is heading towards a good neighborhood.
The people in the community can enjoy the walkways at Bryn Du. Having the
pathway system and corridor trees leading somewhere says something positive to him.
There is a lot of greenspace
He likes the existing plan rather than the alternate plan.
He does not think they need a connector road
An emergency- road access is a good idea
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90.-. There probably would not be much impact on the schools;however he
recommends a study about schools be made
Mr. Wernet agrees with these points and thinks more greenspace would be nice
but the earlier approval is persuasive. He likes bike trails and sidewalks. He would like to
see elevations on the other side.
Mr.Wilkenfeld reiterated his wish to move the project back 50- 70'.He does not
think an access road is necessary. People on the other side ofNewark- Granville need to
Finding of Fact:
MR..SALVAGE MOVED TO ADOPT THE FINDINGS FOR A AND B UNDER
NEW BUSINESS ( Darfus and Rader)AS FORMAL DECISION OF THE
COMMISSION. MR.BURRISS SECONDED,AND IT WAS UNANIMOUSLY
Next Meetings: January 24 and February 14
Adjournment: 9:28 p.m.
GRANVILLE PLANNING COMMISSION