GRANVILLE PLANNING COMMISSION
Members Present:Jack Burriss, Barbara Lucier,Keith Myers, Richard Salvage, Carl Wilkenfeld Members Absent: None
Also Present:Seth DormanV,'illage Planner '
Visitors Present: C.K. Barsky, Suzie Muir, Linda Schwarz, Christian Robertson,Dan Stevens, Norm Ingle,Bob Seith, David Shurtz, Bill Acklin
The Chair swore in all those who planned to speak.
The meeting opened at 7 p.m.for a Work Session on Welcome to Granville Signs:
Mr. Myers presented an available sign package from the Holophane Corporation, which had the
most complete system he was able to find. The participants were directed to the Boston College page,
which had a street sign very similar to what we want. Mr. Burriss asked about color options and Mr.
Myers said you could get whatever color you want. Mr. Burriss asked if there was any cost
information included and Mr. Myers said no. Mr. Burriss asked if they sell coordinating benches and
Mr. Myers said they do not do street furnishings. Mr. Myers said when we do buy benches I think cost
should be a consideration but not the most important consideration, and Mr. Burriss agreed, and he also
added that he would love to find an attractive complimentary garage container.
In the interest of time Mr. Salvage suggested moving into the details of what Mr. Myers'
submissions. Mr. Myers said he would like to do square posts, to which Mr. Salvage agreed. Mr.
Burriss added he wants to make sure the posts have a graduated base and a stylistic cap detail. The
only other thing was that on the " Welcome To Granville"signs he would like to see the sign mounted 1
th to 2"lower in order for the cap detail to be stronger and cleaner.
Another concern raised by Mr. Burriss was the appearance that the fanlight graphic was more
predominant than the " Welcome To Granville"lettering, and he would like to see the opposite effect.
Further, he stated that the lettering is not quite what we envisioned, but maybe if the graphic gets
smaller, the lettering will appear larger.
The group discussed the next steps, including sharing the recommendation with council and
applying for a permit. Mr. Burriss thanked everyone for their participation and cooperation in this
Ms. Muir asked Mr. Myers if the " Welcome To Granville"sign's shape was stock, and Mr.
Myers said that would have to be custom-made. The work session ended on that note, and a sketch of
what was discussed tonight will be presented next time.
The regular meeting opened at 7:30 p.m.
Minutes of November 1, 2000: MR. SALVAGE MOVED TO APPROVE MINUTES AS
PRESENTED. MR. BURRISS SECONDED,AND MOTION WAS UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED.
Minutes of November 13, 2000:
Page 1, line 3 from bottom: W " IDTH OF 9.6"T,O ALLOW THE USE OF A BRICK
SURFACE. AND TO GIVE THE APPLICANT...."
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Page 3,Motion in center of page: T "ENANT PANELS ON THE BOTTOM AND THE
LOWER HALF OF THE SIGN WILL HAVE A DARK BLUE BACKGROUND AND THE TENANT
PANELS WILL BE OUTLINED...."
MR. BURRISS MOVED TO APPROVE MINUTES AS CORRECTED. MR. SALVAGE
SECONDED,AND MOTION WAS UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED.
1"Presbyterian Church R (obertson Construction)1.10W.Broadway A-lley Width
Mr. Burriss recused himself from this application.}
Mr. Dorman stated that Village Council found that the 15'as-built width of Locust Place in the
area of the 3 parking spaces is not a minor modification contrary to Planning Commission's May 8,
2000 decision that it is a minor modification. The applicant has returned per code requirements with a
new application for approval of the as-built width.
Mr. Robertson admitted a mistake was made,although to date the church has heard no reports
of collisions or sideswipings.
Mr. Myers asked if the original width of 15'9"was face-to-face,curb-to-curb,and Mr.
Robertson confirmed it was face to face.
Mr. Myers asked how the contractors arrived at the 15'width, and Mr. Robertson explained
that the project's superintendent used the architectural drawings for the west fellowship hall doorway to
get the dimensions and line up with the wheelchair ramp, and did not correlate the those drawings with
the civil drawings.
Further,Mr. Robertson explained the position of widening the alley to 16'would require a 1'
wide linear patch that would in the short term solve individual concerns and in the long term would
degrade the integrity of the existing pavement.
Bob Seith,property owner across from the church, remains convinced that the alley needs to be
16' as agreed upon. It's too narrow and too tight as it is now. The contractor should be required to
return it to 16'.The right thing should be done.
Norm Ingle added that he works at Pinkerton's, and he parked in the alley before it was
narrowed and there was no problem then. In addition, he feels in time someone will be sideswiped.
Bill Acklin does not deny a mistake was made. The church has offered parking spaces in the
rear to the parties concerned. He feels that the exit needs the existing width to be ADA compliant,but
widening the alley around the three parking spaces may be a possibility.
Village Council, according to Ms. Lucier, affirmed Planning Commission's decision to approve
a minor modification of the as-built width of the alley north of the three parking spaces,but not in the
area of the parking spaces.
Mr. Wilkenfeld asked about estimated cost of rebuilding, and Mr. Robertson did not know.
Ms. Lucier stated Mark Zarbaugh did not think it would be a significant problem. Mr. Myers asked if
the Service Department had any complaints about the width,and Mr. Dorman explained that Mr.
Zarbaugh said he ran a pickup with a plow through the alley last week when it snowed, and it was tight
but he could get through.
Mr. Salvage noticed when he drove his pick-up through that it was tight and he noticed a
number of black tire marks on the existing sidewalk on the west side. Mr. Salvage told Mr. Robertson
that he is a developer and where he has a screw-up he is expected to fix it,and he feels that the alley
should be widened back to 16'.When originally approved, we recognized we would lose spaces in the
alley,but we also thought we were going to get parking spaces back on Main Street,but that is still
designated as a drop-off zone. Mr. Acklin stated the spaces on Main could be reestablished, according
to Joe Hickman. Mr. Myers said that was really a Village issue,but they could re-stripe the spaces if
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Mr. Wilkenfeld mentioned a conversation he had with Mr. Dorman regarding alternative
solutions, and Mr. Dorman presented a diagram of a mountable curb to the Planning Commission. Mr.
Dorman said that Mr. Zarbaugh discussed this as a possible solution to the width problem, as it would
pick up an additional 15"in width but would require the sidewalk to be removed.
Mr. Myers stated that he did not feel comfortable making a decision tonight on mountable curb,
but the Planning Commission still has to act on the application at hand, and that is to approve the built width of Locust Place as- at 15'.
MR. SALVAGE MOVED TO APPROVE APPLICATION AS PRESENTED; MR. WILKENFELD
SECONDED. THE MOTION WAS DENIED BY 2 NAYS (Salvage and Wilkenfeld)AND 1 AYE
Mr. Stevens asked why the Planning Commission made a decision completely contrary to the
decision made in May 2000. Mr. Salvage said that his feelings are no different now then they were in
May, but in May there were no objections, even when I asked Mr. Seith specifically if he objected.
Mr. Myers, in the interest of time, summarized the situation by stating that there is an aggrieved
property owner who you have not been ablb to make a compromise with. The original application
promised a width of 16',at 15' the property owner feels aggrieved, right or wrong, that is his sense of
it. If you could design a solution that works for the aggrieved parties that would go a long way, and I
encourage you to speak to both Pinkertons and Mr. Seith to work something out.
David ShurtzL (ost F&ound Treasures)2.04 Munson Street S-andwich Board
Mr. Dorman stated that the applicant proposes to install a projecting sign on the northeast
corner ofthe building,promoting the Lost and Found Treasures shop.
The only things Mr. Shurtz added was that he would like to go with black and white for
the sign colors. In addition,Mr. Dorman informed Mr. Shurtz that the proposed dimensions
would not be in compliance with the code and that the maximum allowable sign was 8 square
feet. Mr. Shurtz presented the dimensions of2'6"wide x3' high,which totals 7.5 square feet.
Mr. Salvage confirmed that the applicant wanted the sign to be black and white rather
than the tan and black shown in the proposal, and then asked Mr. Shurtz if he had a preference.
Mr. Shurtz told him he would prefer black and white.
Mr. Burriss asked Mr. Shurtz if he was trying to attract people from South Main Street
with the sign,and Mr. Shurtz said no, but from Mulberry and Munson.
Mr. Wilkenfeld noted he thought the black and white would be stark,and asked Mr.
Shurtz ifthe white was going to be an off-white, and Mr. Shurtz said it can be the beige to match
the siding if you prefer.
MR. SALVAGE MOVED TO APPROVE APPLICATION 0 #0-167 SUBJECT TO THE
FOLLOWING CONDITIONS: ( 1)THAT THE DIMENSIONS OF THE SIGN BE REDUCED TO
2'6"WIDE X 3' HIGH. AND (2)THAT WE GRANT THE APPLICANT THE OPTION OF USING
BLACK AND WHITE IF HE DECIDES NOT TO USE THE TAN AS SHOWN ON THE
APPLICATION. MR. WILKENFELD SECONDED,AND IT WAS UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED.
Norm Ingle.Pippin Hill Store. 113 N.Prospect - Sandwich Board
Mr. Dorman said that the applicant proposes to erect a sandwich board sign in front of the
business located at 113 North Prospect Street.
Mr. Ingle explained that there is 10 feet from the curb to the front step, and we are proposing
to put the sign 2' off the curb. The sign will be located at a natural break point, where two parallel
parking spaces come together, so it will not interfere with parking at all.
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Mr. Myers confirmed that there would be about 6'clearance for pedestrians to pass by,and
Mr.Ingle said yes,between 5 and 6 feet. Mr.Ingle further stated that the colors ofthe sign would
match the sign on the building,which Planning Commission approved about 1 -U years ago. The sign
will have a cream background,with hunter green and burgundy lettering and graphics. On the bottom
of the sign would be a dry erase marker board for daily specials.
Mr. Wilkenfeld asked about the proliferation of sandwich board signs and whether or not that
was a concern here. N proposal meets the requirements. Mr. Wilkenfeld thought that,maybe the bigger issue here should be discussed after this application is dealt with,and Mr. Myers said that we want to have successful businesses and to some degree we want to be careful. MR. SALVAGE MOVED TO APPROVE APPLICATION0 #0-170 AS PRESENTED. MR. BURRISS SECONDED,AND IT WAS UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED. f Finding of Fact: MR.SALV62* MbVED TO POSTPONE APPROVAL OF THE PRESBSYTERIAN CHURCHA(ND TO APPROVE ITEMS B ANC C UNDER NEW BUSINESS Shurtz and Ingle)A,ND GPC FINDS THAT THE FINDINGS ARE CONSISTENT WITH ' RELEVANT SECTIONS OF THE CODE AS PRESENTED IN THE VILLAGE PLANNER'S MEMO OF NOVEMBER 22,2000. MR. WILKENFELD SECONDED,AND IT WAS UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED. Next Meeting:December 11, 2000, 7:30 p.m. No meeting on December 25. Adiournment:8:20 p.m.
proposal meets the requirements. Mr. Wilkenfeld thought that,maybe the bigger issue here should be
discussed after this application is dealt with,and Mr. Myers said that we want to have successful
businesses and to some degree we want to be careful.
MR. SALVAGE MOVED TO APPROVE APPLICATION0 #0-170 AS PRESENTED. MR.
BURRISS SECONDED,AND IT WAS UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED.
Finding of Fact: MR.SALV62* MbVED TO POSTPONE APPROVAL OF THE
PRESBSYTERIAN CHURCHA(ND TO APPROVE ITEMS B ANC C UNDER NEW BUSINESS
Shurtz and Ingle)A,ND GPC FINDS THAT THE FINDINGS ARE CONSISTENT WITH '
RELEVANT SECTIONS OF THE CODE AS PRESENTED IN THE VILLAGE PLANNER'S
MEMO OF NOVEMBER 22,2000. MR. WILKENFELD SECONDED,AND IT WAS
Next Meeting:December 11, 2000, 7:30 p.m.
No meeting on December 25.