GRANVILLE PLANNING COMMISSION
Members Present: Jack Burriss, Keith Myers, Mark Parris, Richard Salvage,Carl Wilkenfeld Members Absent: Barb Lucier
Also Present: Seth Dorman, Village Planner
Visitors Present: Art Chonko, Stewart Dyke, Evelyne Poelzing, Andrew Furr, Ilkka Aro, Todd and Debbie Troutman, Greg Ream
Citizens' Comments: None
The Chair,Keith Myers,swore in all those who planned to speak.
Minutes of March 26, 2001: Page 2, second line, change to: a"re.a..on the top of the hill.M..R".
WILKENFELD MOVED TO APPROVE MINUTES WITH ONE CORRECTION. MR. PARRIS
SECONDED, AND MOTION WAS UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED.
Ilkka Aro, 335 Summit Street -Addition
Mr. Dorman stated that the applicant wants to add a master bedroom suite of 415 square feet on
the east side of the house. No variances are necessary. Mr. Aro added that they have two bedrooms and
want to add another,preferring to remain there while their child is in school nearby. New windows will
match the existing ones.
Mr. Salvage stated that these are great drawings, and Mr. Myers complimented the applicant on
the nice application.
MR. SALVAGE MOVED TO APPROVE APPLICATION AS SUBMITTED; MR. BURRIS
SECONDED, AND IT WAS UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED.
Denison University - Signs
Art Chonko described the plans for various construction and informational signs to be placed
around campus, including those at entrances on North Pearl,Burg Street, and Main.
Signs will go up and down depending on when the work is to be completed. They will combine signs
wherever they can, but some have different removal dates. The bigger informational sign at Main will
remain up until the end of the project, around May 2003. The sign on Burg will hold changeable
informational signs directing people to proper destinations. None of the signs will be lit.
Mr. Wilkenfeld wanted assurances that none of these signs would interfere with automobile
Mr. Salvage asked whether the signs fit within the code, and Mr. Dorman replied yes, the big
sign is larger than code, but GPC has authority to approve the size for temporary signs not otherwise
listed in the code.
Mr. Salvage said the contractor signs probably could not be combined, but they should be of
similar colors and side by side, with each having its own logo.
Mr. Myers summarized that on the Pearl Street sign, we want no interference with traffic
visibility. The construction sign should be the same size, black and white with personal logos, which
remain up for the duration of the project.
MR. SALVAGE MOVED TO APPROVE APPLICATION0 #10-27, SUBJECT TO THE
FOLLOWING (1)THAT CONSTRUCTION SIGNS AT BOTH MAIN &COLLEGE AND NORTH
PEARL STREET BE SITTING SIDE BY SIDE AND BE THE SAME SIZE, SAME COLORING
WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE COLOR BLUE FOR THE CONTRACTORS, AND 2)THAT WE
ALLOW THE TEMPORARY INFORMATINAL SIGN BE UP FOR A PERIOD OF 3 YEARS. MR.
PARRIS SECONDED, AND IT WAS UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED.
HelmutE &velyne Poetzing, 126 West Elm Street M- ajor renovations
Mr. Dorman explained the project, consisting of a number of renovations:
2)Expand dining room
3) Remove part of front porch and add an attached one-car garage
4) Expand front porch to full width of house
5) Build an arbor on east and remove existing concrete
Mrs. Poelzing explained that they just bought the house for their retirement and wish to make it
Mr. Wilkenfeld stated that this is a historic house in a historic area. In the past similar requests
for modern garages on historic houses have been denied
Mr. Parris asked whether there would be parking in the existing driveway under the arbor, and
Mrs. Poelzing said there is parking there now.
Mr. Myers asked whether they would remove the driveway, and she said all the area will be
replaced with brick in front and flowers in the rear. There is room for one car there. Brick will replace
existing concrete. On the west there will be a new driveway in brick, identical to the other side so the
house has balance.
Mr. Parris asked whether she would be willing to address the look of the garage door and roof
somewhat to make more of a carriage house look, and Mr. Wilkenfeld added that the plans go from one
side of the lot to the other so there is a massing problem. Mrs. Poelzing said the neighbor's house is
Mr. Myers asked about setbacks and Mr. Dorman said they are OK on the west but the east
plans would require a setback variance. Other requirements are met. Mr. Myers added that (1)on a
66' lot, two curb cuts is a potential problem and breaks rhythm of the street. 2 ( ) S"nout"houses with
garages jutting out before front facades are a challenge and would not be good in this historic
neighborhood. He suggested making the porch smaller. He would have a problem approving this
application and suggested she find a way to use the existing garage. Extending the porch and putting
the garage on the west side is going to be difficult for us to accept in a historic district. He suggested
moving it to the back on the east side to save the integrity of appearance. He also suggested moving the
arbor to the west side in line with house and connected to it. There is already green space there.
Mr. Burris asked about the bay window, and Mrs. Poelzing said it was not original to the house.
Mr. Burris said he is sympathetic to her needs, as far as space is concerned, but wants to help her with
some architectural details to make the addition feel like it belongs with the house. Other homes in this
area maintain architectural integrity, and there are ways to achieve what you want in a slightly different
language. We would be glad to look at other plans, or we could plan a work session.
Mrs. Poelzing said the windows will not change, and you will have the same feeling of the house as now.
Mr. Burriss said the house is a nice rectangle and that's a strong character. Putting the porch all
the way across makes it uncharacteristically horizontal. The walls are vertical on one plane and a
change would bother him. Consistency is important.
MR. WILKENFELD MOVED TO TABLE APPLICATION # 01-028, WITH THE APPLICANT'S
AGREEMENT. MR. SALVAGE SECONDED, AND IT WAS UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED.
Taylor's Drug Store, 200 East Broadway
Greg Ream stated there would be a step down between the drug store and the bank on the north
side. The initial plan did not take the grade change into account, and they need to accommodate
rainwater runoff. It's about a 36"drop. They want to step it down and meld the two properties into
one, and remove the retaining wall. Plantings will be added
t Mr. Burriss asked whether the step could be a pedestrian walkway, but Mr. Ream said it would
be pretty steep for walking.
MR. SALVAGE MOVED THAT THIS IS A MINOR MODIFICATION; MR. WILKENFELD
SECONDED, AND THIS WAS UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED.
Mr. Ream reported that Mr. Siegel from the Tree and Landscape Committee said it was foolish
to put in another tree to replace the one being removed because of the width of the bed. He said the
bed was choking the tree because it's bigger around than is logical for a tree of that height. They could
add other trees later. Mr. Myers prefers deciduous trees, i.e.,maple or ash trees.
Mr. Ream explained about curbs and drainage. He said the width for plantings is 5' curb to
Mr. Burris prefers: (1)a neat definition in the parking lot and (2)as much space for plantings as
MR. SALVAGE MOVED TO APPROVE THE MODIFICATION TO APPLICATION # 00-108 AS
FOLLOWS: 1)THE ELEVATION ALONG THE NORTH LINE SHOULD BE MODIFIED TO
ALLOW FOR THE PROPOSED STEPDOWN OF THE EXISITING WALL AND REMOVAL OF
THE BALANCE, 2)THAT THE NORTH CURB CAN BE MOVED NORTHWARD TO A POINT
WHERE FROM THE BACK OF THAT CURB TO BACK OF THE CURB ON THE BANK
PROPERTY IS A MINIMUM OF 5' WIDE, TO ALLOW FOR A 5' PLANTER, 3)THAT WE WILL
WANT THE BANK TO CONCUR IN WRITING, 4)THAT THE TREE THAT WILL BE LOST
WILL BE REPLACED WITH AN ASH TREE, AND 5)THAT ASH TREES WILL BE PLANTED
WHERE THE LANDSCAPE PLAN CALLS FOR REDSPIRES. MR. WILKENFELD SECONDED,
AND IT WAS UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED.
Mr. Dorman said that change would-have to be reviewed and approved by the Tree and
Landscape Commission,but Mr. Myers said GPC could approve them, especially with his own
certification. Mr. Salvage said he believed that the Tree and Landscape Commission was a subcommission
of the Planning Commission and asked Mr. Dorman to verify that.
Debra Troutman,205 South Pearl St.
Mrs. Troutman brought in color samples for an exterior painting project. Most of the planned
projects are maintenance only, but the shutters created some discussion. Mr. Burriss said space is
needed between the shutters for siding to be exposed. On the first floor there is a light and the
applicants should not get too close to it. Protect the bay and picture window, but shutters probably
would not be needed there anyway. The GPC encourages shutters that look like they could close in
order to be the right scale. The window at the side entry probably should be shuttered. Windows on
the rear probably would not be shuttered. Functional shutters, in their day, would not allow trim to
show when open.
Mr. Salvage does not think GPC approval is required for the maintenance projects they have in
mind, but she should probably bring in plans for patio and shutters. Mr. Myers said they would like to
see drawings with sizes, spacing, etc.
Mr. Burriss said shutters must be to scale. Originally shutters would have been louvered rather
than paneled but we willlook at either. Panels were used earlier as a defensive system, and not every
window needs a shutter.
Certified Oil, S. Main Street
Mr. Furr reviewed discussion from the last work session: 1()lot coverage,which will stay the
same except if they shared space with IGA; 2()for signs,they proposed brick columns,which is yet to be
resolved;3 ()building desigsindin-g material will not be clapboard because it is not economically
feasible,so the building will be brick;4 ()parking has not been changed;5 ()for landscaping,low-profile
shrubs will be in front;6 ()for lighting, they want a flat lens with no glare.
Issues still to be resolved are (1)easement from IGA. They need to avoid stacking and will recurve
the lines;2 ()signage;3 ()curb cuts;4 ()traffic flowpeo-ple should not have to drive into the IGA
to get gas.
Mr. Burriss asked about the roof overhang and was told there is a 1' overhang outside the gutter.
Siding will be brick. Mr. Burriss suggested dormer-type vents across the back and front. He would like
to see the transom detail on the windows. A coping on the roof would breakup the massing and allow for
Mr. Myers asked whether there were any problems with the plans Greg Ross of IGA shared with
Certified. and there is no problem. There will be a sidewalk and lots of green space and 59%lot
Mr. Myers asked whether a diesel pump was necessary,out in the middle by itself,and Mr. Furr
agreed to incorporate it with the other gas pumps. Certified does not want to attract semi truck traffic,
however Mr. Furr fears that a gasoline customer will get impatient while waiting for a truck to fill up with
Regarding the canopy,Mr. Burriss stated that a good column has a base and capital, but Mr. Furr
thought that would be hard to do and they would have to work around the gutters.
Mr.Myers summarized the discussion: 1()We want to see the plan;2 ()move diesel pump;3 () add hedge;4 ()landscaping plan; 5()eliminate curb;6 ()easement with IGA;7 ()resolve floodplain issues; 8)add decorative lighting on building M( r.Burriss)9; )s(ignage.
Finding of Fact:
MR. WILKENFELD MOVED TO APPROVE THE FINDINGS OF FACT FOR A AND B UNDER
NEW BUSINESS (Aro and Denison)AND WE FIND THEM CONSISTENT WITH RELEVANT
SECTIONS OF THE VILLAGE PLANNER'S MEMO OF APRIL 5, 2001. MR. SALVAGE
SECONDED, AND THE MOTION WAS UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED.
Adjournment: 10: 15 p.m.
Next Meetings: April 23 and May 14
f Betty Allen
PLANNING & ZONING
TO: Planning Commission Members
DATE: May 10,2001
SUBJECT: Change in Landscape Plan for Taylor Drug
At the April 9,2001 Planning Commission meeting,the commission approved a modification to the Taylor Drug permit approved last year. The modification entailed
permitting the applicant to reduce the elevation on the north property line and to create a 5' wide planting bed,providing the bank concurred. In addition, Greg Ream noted that
Jim Siegel of the Tree L&andscape Commission mentioned that it would be pointless to replant a tree in place ofthe tree on the north side that would have to be removed. This
initiated a long discussion about replacing that tree and making other landscaping
changes. In the end,Planning Commission approved the replacement ofthe tree to be
lost with an ash tree,and on the originally approved Landscape Plan where it called for
red spires,those should also be replaced by ash trees. After the motion was made,I
stated that because this is a change to an approved Landscape Plan,the Tree & Landscape
Commission should also review and approve the change. I received instruction from the
Commission to confirm whether or not Planning Commission can make landscaping
decisions without coordination with the Tree & Landscape Commission.
After reviewing the Tree &Landscape Chapter of the Zoning Ordinance and
having discussions with both Joe Hickman and Jim Siegel,I feel that Planning
Commission has unintentionally breached a certain level ofprotocol as far as the
landscaping code is concerned. To begin, Chapter 1193.08 ofthe Zoning Code,in
paragraph 2 states that, T "he Planning Commission shall,prior to its consideration of a
landscape plan,forward a copy ofthe plan along with any other information provided by
the developer to the Tree and Landscape Commission for its review and
recommendation. Upon receipt ofthe recommendation and/ or comment from the Tree
and Landscape Commission,the Planning Commission shall begin its review."The third
paragraph goes on,I n" the event recommendation is not received within thirty days after
the transmittal of the plan to the Tree and Landscape Commission, the Planning
Commission may proceed in accordance with these regulations."The Zoning Ordinance
does not address modifications made to an approved Landscape Plan,so we must default
to the only process that is specifically described in the code,and that is to give the Tree &
Landscape Commission a chance to review your recommendations to change the red
spire trees to ash trees. The code does not say that Planning Commission must
automatically approve whatever recommendations the Tree and Landscape Commission
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make,but it has created an awkward situation now that the process has been not followed
in this situation. The Planning Commission must appreciate the individuals that make up
the Tree & Landscape Commission and respect their opinions in matters oftrees and
At this time,the Tree & Landscape Commission has reviewed your
recommendation that the proposed red spire trees in the approved landscape plan for
Taylor Drug should be switched to ash trees,in addition that the tree that must be
removed on the north side ofthe property should be replaced with an ash tree. I have
attached a letter from Jim Siegel and in it he details the Tree & Landscape Commission's
recommendations regarding the replacement of red spires with ash. He states that the
Commission does not feel that ash trees are appropriate for the location and that
arborvitae be used as it is evergreen and provides upright,pyramidal growth and does not
require a large footprint growth area. In addition,the arborvitae does not shed leaves and
will not become a maintenance problem.
The following information is just FYI and gives us some things to think about,
because our code is very vague on the duties and responsibilities ofthe Tree &
Landscape Commission. The Commission was initially created in 1967 as the Granville
Improvement Board and I have not yet had a chance to look up the Ordinance at the
Historical Society to see if speaks to specific duties and responsibilities. In the early 90s,
as the Board began obtaining grants for tree planting and other landscaping projects a
movement was spearheaded to change the name ofthe Improvement Board to something
that more concisely reflected what the group did and was all about,and in 1992 Council
officially changed the name ofthe Granville Improvement Board to the Tree &
Landscape Commission, and that Ordinance does not specifically detail the duties and
responsibilities ofthe commission. In addition,the commission receives a budget of
around $ 20,000 per year to carry out its various programs. At the April 18th Council
Meeting, Council asked Joe to review the mechanisms that established the Tree &
Landscape Commission. Upon review of the available information, Council may choose
to modify their authority and perhaps their role.
Ifyou have questions or concerns about the information in this memo please call
Joe or myself to discuss them, otherwise I would like to address this issue at the May 14
meeting, so that Greg Ream can move forward on the landscaping portion of the
application modification the Planning Commission approved on April 9.
James E Siegel
Home Phone 740-587-1990
538 Mt.Parnassus Dr.
The TreeL/andscape Commission would like to recommend that two trees be planted in the tree
lawn on the west side of the new Taylor Drug Store. We are recommending that they be Ivory
Silk Tree Lilacs. Because of the narrow area on the west side,we feel these trees would be a
I'was also told that ash trees had been selected to serve as a screen on the We corner ofthe
building site. We do not feel that this is a desirable choice. The growth habit of this tree,( over
the years reaching perhaps 80 feet in height with trunk diameters of possibly three feet)requires
a large tree lawn area,as well as a large open growth area. It also sheds its leaves in the fall
creating a clean up problem.
If the intent is to provide screening,we would like to suggest that arborvitae be used . This
evergreen provides a upright,pyramidal growth,remains green year round,does not need a large
footprint growth area,and sheds no leaves.
If additional information is needed,please let me know.
GRANVILLE PLANNING COMMISSION