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GPC Minutes 11/13/2001

GRANVILLE PLANNING COMMISSION

November 13, 2001

Minutes

DRAFT

Members Present: Jack Burriss, Mark Parris, Richard Salvage, Carl Wilkenfeld

Members Absent: Barb Lucier, Keith Myers

Also Present: Seth Dorman, Village Planner

Visitors Present: Jon Raymond, Jim Pyle, David Schnaidt, Kathy Kerns, Walt Denny, Frits Rizor, Jerome Scott

Citizens' Comments: None

The Vice Chair swore in all those who planned to speak.

Minutes of October 22,2001:

MR. WILKENFELD MOVED TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED. MR. BURRISS

SECONDED, AND THE MOTION WAS UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED.

New Business:

Jon Raymond.132 East Broadway - Neon «Ope n"Sign and Additional Signage

Mr. Dorman stated that this application is for 3 signs. The first sign is a neon " open"sign. The

neon sign would be 2.9 square feet with red and white neon lights mounted on clear plastic. The next sign

is a smalllogo sign on the rear door which is 2.4 square feet,and the wall sign above the rear door is 8. 1

square feet. The wall sign was brought over to this location from the applicant's former location on North

Prospect Street.

Mr. Raymond explained that he bought the neon sign from an artist in Chicago. The sign is now

on the inside wall and he feels it represents the business. He said that even with his lights on,people

come into the shop and ask if they are open. As for the smaillogo sign,that was purchased when the

larger logo sign was made,and he decided to install it on the rear door in lieu ofthe small awning that

was previously approved by the Planning Commission. The applicant has found that a lot of people are

entering from the rear. As for the wall sign,it was brought over from the old location and he felt it

dressed up the rear facade. Getting back to the neon sign,the applicant noted that a coffee cup is part of

the business' logo, and he feels the coffee cup in the neon sign also represents the business enterprise.

Mr. Burriss asked the applicant about his hours of operation,and Mr. Raymond said that he is

open from 7 am to 6 pm Monday-Friday, and 8 am to 4 pm on Saturday. Mr. Burriss noted that he would

be comfortable with the neon sign only if it is illuminated during hours of operation.

MR. PARRISS MOVED TO APPROVE APPLICATION # 01-155,SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING

MODIFICATION: 1)THAT THE WHITE SIGN ABOVE THE DOOR TO THE REAR OF THE

BUILDING BE REMOVED TO BRING THE BUILDING INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODE,A

TOTAL OF 4 SIGNS. WE FEEL THE NEON SIGN MEETS THE CODE WHICH STATES THAT

NEON SIGNS MAY BE PERMITTED IF THEY ARE CONSIDERED ARTFUL AND IDENTIFY THE

BUSINESS ENTERPRISE AND DO NOT EXCEED 4 SQUARE FEET. THIS SIGN MEETS THOSE

CRITERIA;AND 2)THAT THE SIGN WILL ONLY BE ILLUMINATED DURING BUSINESS

HOURS. MR..BURRISS SECONDED AND THE MOTION WAS UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED.

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Jim andJeanetta Pyle.122 South Prospect StreetD -emolition

Mr.Dorman introduced the project by stating that the applicants are proposing to demolish their

house located at 122 South Prospect Street.

Mr. Salvage asked whether the Pyles had received a letter from Jurgen Pape in opposition,and the

answer was no. Mr.Pyle asked ifhis application could temporarily be skipped so that he and the others

involved in this application could have a chance to digest the letter,and the Planning Commission agreed

to this request.

After having a chance to read the letter from Mr.Pape,Mr.Pyle began his comments by stating he

and his wife liked the house when they had it,but they no longer own the land under it. The plan is for a

nice green space to be there until the library starts construction.

Kathy Kern,President ofthe library board,said that the library bought the property because it

allows us access to build the library addition.

Mr. Salvage said that the Chair ofPlanning Commission,Mr.Myers,is not here tonight,but did

call a couple ofus and had some questions that he thought should be answered. For example,what is the

library's expansion plan,and what is the overall timeframe?Ms. Kern said that an architect from

Columbus has been hired and they are concerned with helping the library gain public input. There is a 17

week plan,starting early next year,to gain that public input. The plan is to put a levy on the ballot next

November.

Mr. Salvage stated that the Planning Commission has also worked with the Granville Historical

Society on moving the Sinnett House. He then asked what the timeframe for needing the lots vacated

was. Ms. Kern said again that the levy would be on the ballot in November 2002,and Mr. Salvage said

that at the earliest construction would not even start until 2003.

Mr. Parris questioned the timing ofthe demolition,and Ms. Kern said the library is nervous about

having an empty house and they don't want to pay taxes on it. Mr. Parris said he did not want to leave a

big hole in the urban fabric. Mr. Denny said the space would be converted to green space. Mr. Parris said

that normally when we issue a demolition permit,we have something to fill the space created. Mr. Denny

said that Step 1 is demolishing the Pyle house,and Step 2 is moving the Sinnett House. He said there can

be no Step 2 without Step 1, and the Historical Society needs to know when they can move the Sinnett

House as soon as possible. Mr. Denny said we hoped the Pyle house could be moved and remain a

residence,and Mr. Salvage asked ifthat had been researched. Mr. Pyle said that it had been researched,

and that the tree in front ofthe house would have to be removed in order to move the house,and the

Village's tree appraisers gave that tree a value between $ 9,000 and $ 39,000. In addition,there would be

Village assessments for tree limbing.

Mr. Wilkenfeld said he is not concerned about the demolition,but he agrees with Mr. Myers that

this is premature. With the house gone,you have a "missing tooth"in the streetscape. It is very unusual

to take a house down without something to fill the space. He also asked when the drawings would be

ready. Ms. Kern said April,2001. Mr. Wilkenfeld questioned when the Sinnett House would be moved,

and Ms. Kern said that the Historical Society had indicated that ifthings go well they would like to move

the house will the ground is still frozen.

Mr. Burriss said that long prior to his conversation with Mr. Myers,he was not comfortable

issuing a demolition permit until we know what will fill its space and when will it fill its space.

Mr. Salvage reminded the group that the Planning Commission does not approve the demolition

permit they simply make a recommendation to the Village Manager.

Mr. Denny said that we know the approximate square footage to be addedf r(om 15,000 to

21,000)w;e know that the addition will come into the Pyles'property but we don't know how much.

Another architect said in order to build the square footage needed in our present confines a 4-story

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building would have to be built and construction access would be limited to the alley on the the library. Mr. Parris said east side of pull of the trigger,which we hope you fill the space with the library,but you must come closer to the 14 may or may not be the Sinnett House;we would hate to see an empty lot for 2 years.

Mr. Denny said we prefer green space over an empty house. Mr. Parris said that he does not want

to deny the application,would the applicant be willing to table the application until a timeline and a plan

for the greenspace and landscaping could be presented. In addition,Mr. Parris is looking for a roadmap

as to what the library hopes to eventually fill the space with. Mr. Denny said that he will discuss this at

the upcoming board meeting,and will come back with a diagram of the two lots together and what the

library expects to do with the property.

MR. PARRIS MOVED TO TABLE APPLICATION # 01-158 PER THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST.

MR. WILKENFELD SECONDED AND THE MOTION WAS UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED.

David Schnaidt, 139 West Elm StreetS -econd Storv Deck

Mr. Dorman said that the applicant is proposing to build a second story walkout deck on the east

side ofthe house. Mr. Dorman showed a rough sketch ofthe deck and where the access door would be

located.

Mr. Schnaidt explained more ofthe intricate details ofthe deck. The spindles would be turned

spindles on the deck railing;the columns would be 4x4 with a decorative sleeve that slips over the post.

As part ofthe project is a renovation of the patio and walkway underneath the proposed deck,and for that

the applicant will be pouring a concrete pad with footers and then within a year bricking the new concrete

pad and walkway.

Mr. Burriss asked about the materials proposed for the flooring ofthe structure,and Mr. Schnaidt

said it would be top quality treated lumber. Mr. Burriss stated that the decking would be separated, and

Mr. Schnaidt said it would but that he was going to put a fascia- type covering over the deck board ends

for the architecture effect. The deck would then be painted off-white to match the trim ofthe house. Mr.

Schnaidt corrected Mr. Dorman and said that the access door would be 6"from the south window,not the

north window. The door will be a 15-light door.

Mr. Burriss said he remembered discussion during the applicant's addition hearing several years

ago,that the deck would continue around the sunroom,and Mr. Schnaidt said there would be no good

access from the addition,so he no longer plans to do this.

Mr. Burriss suggested putting a panel above the access door to create height consistency with the

surrounding windows.

Mr. Burriss asked who the contractor was and Mr. Schnaidt replied Law Excavating would do all

the work.

Mr. Salvage suggested that the applicant bring back better drawings that show all the details, and

the applicant said he did not want to slow the process down. Mr. Wilkenfeld asked about the applicant's

timeframe for starting and Mr. Schnaidt replied he wants to break ground after Thanksgiving.

Mr. Wilkenfeld thought another condition of approval should be that he bricks the pad and

walkway within 2 years.

Mr. Parris asked about the materials for the handrails and was told wood. Mr. Parris asked if it

would be an actual railing or 2 x 2, and was told an actual railing.

MR.WILKENFELD MOVED TO APPROVE APPLICATION0 #1-159 SUBJECT TO THE

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FOLLOWING: 1 ()THAT THE APPLICANT WILL PROVIDE MORE DETAILED DRAWINGS,

AND FINAL APPROVAL TO BE GRANTED BY MR. BURRISS;AND ( 2)THAT THE

CONCRETE PAD AND WALKWAY TO THE STREET BE BRICKED WITHIN 2 YEARS. MR.

PARRIS SECONDED AND THE MOTION WAS UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED.

Old Business:

Frits Rizor,326North PearlStreetF -ence Modification

Mr. Dorman explained that this is a modification application to a previously approved permit. The

application before us is an extension ofthe previously approved picket fence,basically to give the family

pet more room to walk around. Mr. Dorman showed what the actual fence that was built looks like,and

explained the extension would look exactly like this,with 4'posts,3 12/'pickets;and 2 92s"pacing

between the pickets,edge to edge.

Mr.Rizor was asked ifthe neighbor was ok with the extension,and he explained that the house to

the north is a rental,he has not had a chance to ask the landlord about the extension,but indicated that

they were very pleased with what has already been installed.

MR. WILKENFELD MOVED THAT THIS IS A MINOR MODIFICATION. MR. PARRIS

SECONDED,AND THE MOTION WAS UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED.

MR.WILKENFELD MOVED TO APPROVE THE MODIFICATION TO APPLICATION # 01-096.

MR. BURRISS SECONDED,AND THE MOTION WAS UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED.

Work Session:

David Bussan,420 East BroadwayT o- discussmajor rear addition

Jerome Scott,Architect,said one problem is the footing ofthe old house is not deep enough. The

bedrooms are very small which is typical ofa bungalow,so the applicant would be proposing a master

bedroom to the rear. There would be a variance on the side of2.6'from the lot line,but the new addition

would never be any closer than the existing condition. Mr. Burriss asked ifthis is an addition onto the

addition,and Mr. Scott said yes and showed the Planning Commission the various elevations. They

prefer to match materials. Mr. Burriss recommended looking at the house on North Grangerjust south of

grade school and the bungatow- type house on Newark-Granville Road. Mr. Burriss encouraged

maintaining the integrity ofthe house. It needs to blend in with the neighborhood. He recommended

looking at Bernard Maybeck's work on fenestration ofbungalows in California. It was decided that the

applicant and his architect would be back for additional work sessions.

Finding of Fact: MR. PARRIS MOVED TO APPROVE THE FINDINGS OF FACT FOR A AND C

UNDER NEW BUSINESS R(aymond and SchnaidtA) ND A UNDER OLD BUSINESSR ( izor)AND

FIND THEM CONSISTENT WITH RELEVANT SECTIONS OF THE CODE AS DESCRIBED IN

THE VILLAGE PLANNER'S MEMO OF NOVEMBER 8, 2001. MR. BURRISS SECONDED,AND

THE MOTION WAS UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED.

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Adjournment: 9:30 p.m.

Next Meetings: November 26 and December 10

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