GRANVILLE PLANNING COMMISSION
November 13, 2001
Members Present: Jack Burriss, Mark Parris, Richard Salvage, Carl Wilkenfeld
Members Absent: Barb Lucier, Keith Myers
Also Present: Seth Dorman, Village Planner
Visitors Present: Jon Raymond, Jim Pyle, David Schnaidt, Kathy Kerns, Walt Denny, Frits Rizor, Jerome Scott
Citizens' Comments: None
The Vice Chair swore in all those who planned to speak.
Minutes of October 22,2001:
MR. WILKENFELD MOVED TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED. MR. BURRISS
SECONDED, AND THE MOTION WAS UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED.
Jon Raymond.132 East Broadway - Neon «Ope n"Sign and Additional Signage
Mr. Dorman stated that this application is for 3 signs. The first sign is a neon " open"sign. The
neon sign would be 2.9 square feet with red and white neon lights mounted on clear plastic. The next sign
is a smalllogo sign on the rear door which is 2.4 square feet,and the wall sign above the rear door is 8. 1
square feet. The wall sign was brought over to this location from the applicant's former location on North
Mr. Raymond explained that he bought the neon sign from an artist in Chicago. The sign is now
on the inside wall and he feels it represents the business. He said that even with his lights on,people
come into the shop and ask if they are open. As for the smaillogo sign,that was purchased when the
larger logo sign was made,and he decided to install it on the rear door in lieu ofthe small awning that
was previously approved by the Planning Commission. The applicant has found that a lot of people are
entering from the rear. As for the wall sign,it was brought over from the old location and he felt it
dressed up the rear facade. Getting back to the neon sign,the applicant noted that a coffee cup is part of
the business' logo, and he feels the coffee cup in the neon sign also represents the business enterprise.
Mr. Burriss asked the applicant about his hours of operation,and Mr. Raymond said that he is
open from 7 am to 6 pm Monday-Friday, and 8 am to 4 pm on Saturday. Mr. Burriss noted that he would
be comfortable with the neon sign only if it is illuminated during hours of operation.
MR. PARRISS MOVED TO APPROVE APPLICATION # 01-155,SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING
MODIFICATION: 1)THAT THE WHITE SIGN ABOVE THE DOOR TO THE REAR OF THE
BUILDING BE REMOVED TO BRING THE BUILDING INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODE,A
TOTAL OF 4 SIGNS. WE FEEL THE NEON SIGN MEETS THE CODE WHICH STATES THAT
NEON SIGNS MAY BE PERMITTED IF THEY ARE CONSIDERED ARTFUL AND IDENTIFY THE
BUSINESS ENTERPRISE AND DO NOT EXCEED 4 SQUARE FEET. THIS SIGN MEETS THOSE
CRITERIA;AND 2)THAT THE SIGN WILL ONLY BE ILLUMINATED DURING BUSINESS
HOURS. MR..BURRISS SECONDED AND THE MOTION WAS UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED.
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Jim andJeanetta Pyle.122 South Prospect StreetD -emolition
Mr.Dorman introduced the project by stating that the applicants are proposing to demolish their
house located at 122 South Prospect Street.
Mr. Salvage asked whether the Pyles had received a letter from Jurgen Pape in opposition,and the
answer was no. Mr.Pyle asked ifhis application could temporarily be skipped so that he and the others
involved in this application could have a chance to digest the letter,and the Planning Commission agreed
to this request.
After having a chance to read the letter from Mr.Pape,Mr.Pyle began his comments by stating he
and his wife liked the house when they had it,but they no longer own the land under it. The plan is for a
nice green space to be there until the library starts construction.
Kathy Kern,President ofthe library board,said that the library bought the property because it
allows us access to build the library addition.
Mr. Salvage said that the Chair ofPlanning Commission,Mr.Myers,is not here tonight,but did
call a couple ofus and had some questions that he thought should be answered. For example,what is the
library's expansion plan,and what is the overall timeframe?Ms. Kern said that an architect from
Columbus has been hired and they are concerned with helping the library gain public input. There is a 17
week plan,starting early next year,to gain that public input. The plan is to put a levy on the ballot next
Mr. Salvage stated that the Planning Commission has also worked with the Granville Historical
Society on moving the Sinnett House. He then asked what the timeframe for needing the lots vacated
was. Ms. Kern said again that the levy would be on the ballot in November 2002,and Mr. Salvage said
that at the earliest construction would not even start until 2003.
Mr. Parris questioned the timing ofthe demolition,and Ms. Kern said the library is nervous about
having an empty house and they don't want to pay taxes on it. Mr. Parris said he did not want to leave a
big hole in the urban fabric. Mr. Denny said the space would be converted to green space. Mr. Parris said
that normally when we issue a demolition permit,we have something to fill the space created. Mr. Denny
said that Step 1 is demolishing the Pyle house,and Step 2 is moving the Sinnett House. He said there can
be no Step 2 without Step 1, and the Historical Society needs to know when they can move the Sinnett
House as soon as possible. Mr. Denny said we hoped the Pyle house could be moved and remain a
residence,and Mr. Salvage asked ifthat had been researched. Mr. Pyle said that it had been researched,
and that the tree in front ofthe house would have to be removed in order to move the house,and the
Village's tree appraisers gave that tree a value between $ 9,000 and $ 39,000. In addition,there would be
Village assessments for tree limbing.
Mr. Wilkenfeld said he is not concerned about the demolition,but he agrees with Mr. Myers that
this is premature. With the house gone,you have a "missing tooth"in the streetscape. It is very unusual
to take a house down without something to fill the space. He also asked when the drawings would be
ready. Ms. Kern said April,2001. Mr. Wilkenfeld questioned when the Sinnett House would be moved,
and Ms. Kern said that the Historical Society had indicated that ifthings go well they would like to move
the house will the ground is still frozen.
Mr. Burriss said that long prior to his conversation with Mr. Myers,he was not comfortable
issuing a demolition permit until we know what will fill its space and when will it fill its space.
Mr. Salvage reminded the group that the Planning Commission does not approve the demolition
permit they simply make a recommendation to the Village Manager.
Mr. Denny said that we know the approximate square footage to be addedf r(om 15,000 to
21,000)w;e know that the addition will come into the Pyles'property but we don't know how much.
Another architect said in order to build the square footage needed in our present confines a 4-story
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building would have to be built and construction access would be limited to the alley on the the library. Mr. Parris said east side of pull of the trigger,which we hope you fill the space with the library,but you must come closer to the 14 may or may not be the Sinnett House;we would hate to see an empty lot for 2 years.
Mr. Denny said we prefer green space over an empty house. Mr. Parris said that he does not want
to deny the application,would the applicant be willing to table the application until a timeline and a plan
for the greenspace and landscaping could be presented. In addition,Mr. Parris is looking for a roadmap
as to what the library hopes to eventually fill the space with. Mr. Denny said that he will discuss this at
the upcoming board meeting,and will come back with a diagram of the two lots together and what the
library expects to do with the property.
MR. PARRIS MOVED TO TABLE APPLICATION # 01-158 PER THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST.
MR. WILKENFELD SECONDED AND THE MOTION WAS UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED.
David Schnaidt, 139 West Elm StreetS -econd Storv Deck
Mr. Dorman said that the applicant is proposing to build a second story walkout deck on the east
side ofthe house. Mr. Dorman showed a rough sketch ofthe deck and where the access door would be
Mr. Schnaidt explained more ofthe intricate details ofthe deck. The spindles would be turned
spindles on the deck railing;the columns would be 4x4 with a decorative sleeve that slips over the post.
As part ofthe project is a renovation of the patio and walkway underneath the proposed deck,and for that
the applicant will be pouring a concrete pad with footers and then within a year bricking the new concrete
pad and walkway.
Mr. Burriss asked about the materials proposed for the flooring ofthe structure,and Mr. Schnaidt
said it would be top quality treated lumber. Mr. Burriss stated that the decking would be separated, and
Mr. Schnaidt said it would but that he was going to put a fascia- type covering over the deck board ends
for the architecture effect. The deck would then be painted off-white to match the trim ofthe house. Mr.
Schnaidt corrected Mr. Dorman and said that the access door would be 6"from the south window,not the
north window. The door will be a 15-light door.
Mr. Burriss said he remembered discussion during the applicant's addition hearing several years
ago,that the deck would continue around the sunroom,and Mr. Schnaidt said there would be no good
access from the addition,so he no longer plans to do this.
Mr. Burriss suggested putting a panel above the access door to create height consistency with the
Mr. Burriss asked who the contractor was and Mr. Schnaidt replied Law Excavating would do all
Mr. Salvage suggested that the applicant bring back better drawings that show all the details, and
the applicant said he did not want to slow the process down. Mr. Wilkenfeld asked about the applicant's
timeframe for starting and Mr. Schnaidt replied he wants to break ground after Thanksgiving.
Mr. Wilkenfeld thought another condition of approval should be that he bricks the pad and
walkway within 2 years.
Mr. Parris asked about the materials for the handrails and was told wood. Mr. Parris asked if it
would be an actual railing or 2 x 2, and was told an actual railing.
MR.WILKENFELD MOVED TO APPROVE APPLICATION0 #1-159 SUBJECT TO THE
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FOLLOWING: 1 ()THAT THE APPLICANT WILL PROVIDE MORE DETAILED DRAWINGS,
AND FINAL APPROVAL TO BE GRANTED BY MR. BURRISS;AND ( 2)THAT THE
CONCRETE PAD AND WALKWAY TO THE STREET BE BRICKED WITHIN 2 YEARS. MR.
PARRIS SECONDED AND THE MOTION WAS UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED.
Frits Rizor,326North PearlStreetF -ence Modification
Mr. Dorman explained that this is a modification application to a previously approved permit. The
application before us is an extension ofthe previously approved picket fence,basically to give the family
pet more room to walk around. Mr. Dorman showed what the actual fence that was built looks like,and
explained the extension would look exactly like this,with 4'posts,3 12/'pickets;and 2 92s"pacing
between the pickets,edge to edge.
Mr.Rizor was asked ifthe neighbor was ok with the extension,and he explained that the house to
the north is a rental,he has not had a chance to ask the landlord about the extension,but indicated that
they were very pleased with what has already been installed.
MR. WILKENFELD MOVED THAT THIS IS A MINOR MODIFICATION. MR. PARRIS
SECONDED,AND THE MOTION WAS UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED.
MR.WILKENFELD MOVED TO APPROVE THE MODIFICATION TO APPLICATION # 01-096.
MR. BURRISS SECONDED,AND THE MOTION WAS UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED.
David Bussan,420 East BroadwayT o- discussmajor rear addition
Jerome Scott,Architect,said one problem is the footing ofthe old house is not deep enough. The
bedrooms are very small which is typical ofa bungalow,so the applicant would be proposing a master
bedroom to the rear. There would be a variance on the side of2.6'from the lot line,but the new addition
would never be any closer than the existing condition. Mr. Burriss asked ifthis is an addition onto the
addition,and Mr. Scott said yes and showed the Planning Commission the various elevations. They
prefer to match materials. Mr. Burriss recommended looking at the house on North Grangerjust south of
grade school and the bungatow- type house on Newark-Granville Road. Mr. Burriss encouraged
maintaining the integrity ofthe house. It needs to blend in with the neighborhood. He recommended
looking at Bernard Maybeck's work on fenestration ofbungalows in California. It was decided that the
applicant and his architect would be back for additional work sessions.
Finding of Fact: MR. PARRIS MOVED TO APPROVE THE FINDINGS OF FACT FOR A AND C
UNDER NEW BUSINESS R(aymond and SchnaidtA) ND A UNDER OLD BUSINESSR ( izor)AND
FIND THEM CONSISTENT WITH RELEVANT SECTIONS OF THE CODE AS DESCRIBED IN
THE VILLAGE PLANNER'S MEMO OF NOVEMBER 8, 2001. MR. BURRISS SECONDED,AND
THE MOTION WAS UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED.
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Adjournment: 9:30 p.m.
Next Meetings: November 26 and December 10