GRANVILLE PLANNING COMMISSION
February 27, 2006
Members Present: Jack Burriss (Vice Chair), Tom Mitchell, Jackie O'Keefe, Tim Riffle (Chair), Carl Wilkenfeld
Members Absent: Tym Tyler
Visitors Present: Mark Clapsadle, Shelley Morgan, Earl Hawkins, Virginia Hanni, Nellene Legg, Cecelia Pretzman, Russ Griffith, Paul W. Quinn, Ken Ler-Wallert Corp, Russ Reyler, Tabassum Zalotrwala, Amber Mitchell, Brian Miller, Rose Wingert, Deborah Snyder
Also Present: Chris Strayer, Village Planner
The Chair swore in all those who planned to speak
Citizens Comments: none
Election of Officers: Postponed until next meeting.
Minutes of February 13: Page 1, 6th line up, change to "about the massing,"
Page 3, 2d line up, change "emulate the graphics" to "copy the soffits"
Page 3, 7th line from top, change "SOUTH" to "CENTER"
MR. MITCHELL MOVED TO APPROVE WITH CORRECTIONS. MR. BURRISS SECONDED, AND MOTION WAS UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED.
Shelley Morgan, 416 North Granger Street - Addition
The applicant, a policeman, wishes to add a 28'x28' two-car, two-story garage with two bedrooms, bath and laundry upstairs
Mr. Mitchell notes there are no elevation drawings, and Ms. O'Keefe added there are no dimensions either. Mr. Morgan said the extended addition will be over the garage, and everything will follow the contour of the house itself and will not impact any closer to the property line. They are taking out the concrete raised patio.
When asked by Mr. Burriss about the windows, he replied they will not be able to do windows in front, but he showed where the 6' French doors and 3 other windows will be. Mr. Burriss wants to see the relationship of windows on upper level to windows on lower story. Mr. Morgan showed where door to the house and the windows will be as well as the plan for the roofline. He said they will use the materials of the existing house.
Mr. Wilkenfeld did not think the group had a problem with the general idea but we need to cover our bases. The applicant requested tabling, but they are anxious to get started. He said they will be doing a bump-out for the kitchen window. Mr. Mitchell said to the policeman, "You can get started. We will not arrest you."
The applicant said there will be a 6'x10' area closed in for a porch with railing.
MR.WILKENFELD MOVED TO APPROVE WITH THE FOLLOWING STIPULATIONS: (1) APPLICANT CAN START ON THE FRONT PART OF THE HOUSE, WHICH IS THE BUMP-OUT; (2) GET DRAWINGS TO THE VILLAGE PLANNER SO HE AND JACK BURRISS CAN LOOK AT THEM; (3) WINDOW ON FRONT BUMP-OUT WILL BE EXACTLY AS IT IS NOW; (4) APPLICANT WILL BRING TO THE NEXT MEETING THE FINAL DRAWINGS FOR THE REST OF THE ADDITION FOR FINAL APPROVAL.. MR. BURRISS SECONDED, AND MOTION WAS UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED
Mark Clapsadle, 908 Newark-Granville Road - Addition
The applicant wishes a one-story deck/terrace with porch roof, a second floor addition and side porch addition
Mr. Mitchell asked about windows on the second floor and was told there will be a window behind the bed wall. Because of the roofline, they must avoid a flashing problem. The addition could be seen from the road just a little bit since this is two stories.
Mr. Riffle asked about the porch roofline and was told it will create a cover for the side door. He described the surface of the addition. The trim will match the existing trim. The original house was built in 1812 of brick, but from the 1960s it has been all siding, and the addition will match that siding.
MR. BURRISS MOVED TO APPROVE 06-016 BE APPROVED AS SUBMITTED. MR. MITCHELL SECONDED AND MOTION WAS UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED.
Mr. Burriss noted that this was a good set of drawings.
Northstar Realty, Galway Drive - Per applicant's request,
MR. MITCHELL MOVED TO TABLE 06-019. MR. WILKENFELD SECONDED, AND MOTION WAS UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED.
Wellert Corporation, South Cherry Valley Road (Arby's)
Paul A. Quinn, Vice President for Construction, stated that this application came before you two years ago. At that time there were different representatives from Arby's, and this is a whole new group here today. What we have here is a proposal to bring Arby's in as part of the Speedway project, It will be all brick, 32,000 sq.ft., on a 3.2 acre lot with ample parking The driveway will go all the way around, and have a drive-through. The dumpster will be enclosed. They are seeking architectural approval of the site plan so they can go to their engineer, after which they will bring in a landscaping plan and signage plan.
Mr. Wilkenfeld asked about a traffic study and was told it was not necessary, but Mr. Wilkenfeld thought a traffic study was not included for Speedway. Mr. Strayer said in the subdivision approval for the three lots that went with the gas station, a traffic study was done. He talked to the Law Director and agreed it was in the approval for Speedway. Mr. Wilkenfeld said yes, but they said they would come back later and that the traffic impact study was for themselves only.
Mr. Quinn said they want to start construction in August, and they hope to get through this without going for any variances.
Mr. Strayer said because it's in the Planning District, we cannot give them site plan approval; they must go through V.C. We cannot pick this apart-it has to be one full project and we need to see whether we like this and then grant temporary approval. The only variance might be lot coverage, depending upon how much land they get upon the lot split in the reserve.
Mr. Burriss summarized items needed: the restaurant should be a little farther back on the center section. There is a lot of landscaping space in the back and very little in the front…. Sidewalks are to tie the area together…. Need to see cut sheets on lighting. Speedway was cooperative on lighting and location of poles, and Mr. Quinn will check with Speedway about lighting.
Mr. Burriss said they have done a great job on signage. We tend not to approve internally lit signs, and we need more signs externally lit.
Regarding the building, Mr. Burriss does not think any of us were in favor of the huge center glass piece, and we talked about carrying the brick across that window. We discussed the awning being repeated on the element and being striped. We like a standing metal roof, and we liked the color variation in the brick.
Mr. Quinn said sidewalks will be put in. Mr. Burriss added there should be a tree lawn between the street and sidewalks, and sidewalks should go all the way around. Different paving material could distinguish crosswalks…. Maybe outdoor seating could be planned…. We don't want to drive in and feel we are entering the back. Mr. Quinn sad Arby's customers do not like outdoor seating. He said they want the building as close to the road as they can, but they need to leave room for the drive-through. To move the building back pushes the drive-through too far back. Their designer will work on entering the back of the building.
Ms. O'Keefe feels the building itself is a sign. She thought we had asked for it to be toned down. Mr. Burriss stated it's still a significant building but it has been toned down, i.e., the name. When we get to discussion of menu board and other things, we will address that. Mr. Riffle said they need some of that for their business identification. Mr. Quinn said the menu board will have a canopy over the drive-through. It will also serve as a height reminder.
Mr. Burriss thought we could use a more articulated lamppost, and we would be in favor of discussion about the gravel. Mr. Quinn replied that it's here because people throw their cigarette butts here instead of in back. Mr. Burriss said that will be part of the discussion of the site plan.
Tabassum Zalotrwala, designer, showed the group photo=graphics. She tried to work Arby's around what downtown Granville looks like, and they want a warm, friendly aura. She showed how she changed the building to make it more like Granville, i.e., the awning and stone with earthy feel…. Pediment does not need to be clapboard. A band of mulleins will be used for the clapboard, but we could substitute anything. They could repeat the lower material in the pedestal . . . articulated stucco . . . repeat the blocks . . . round window.
Mr. Burriss asked about the side elevation, saying we have encouraged islands to have live flowers…. When you are looking at the back, work in islands. Maybe have a blind window on doors to break up the massing. If they use stucco, install stucco inserts in the windows…. The use of these lights on the side of the building helps break it up. It would add a 3-D element.
Mr. Quinn said what if they put a fake window on the back of spandrel glass to repeat this element. Mr. Burriss wants to see positive architecture and make the sign fit the building but would not necessarily repeat all the elements….. Make the back have a reference to the front…. Maybe a backdrop for the sign. Soften the menu board and make it less generic…. Keep the dumpster area clean and provide a hose to wash the concrete.
Mr. Burriss said you are good designers, and we are moving in a good direction. Our goal is for you to tell people you are in the Granville area and that you are not just anywhere in the USA. You have reduced the Arby's logo a lot but some more work needs to be done…. Add some shape to the apron; some aprons are articulated on the edge…. He wants the Arby's logo color as part of the package…. The dumpster will match building materials…. He wants to see a sample of the gravel color.
The designer will work on these suggestions, add round window in the pediment, color to match color at the bottom. They will add inserts to pediment, like a single window with scale and spacing consistent. She will improve the back but with no pediment. The painted sign in the rear saying "Arby's," a nice articulated painted sign, lit from outside.
MR. MITCHELL MOVED TO TABLE 04-024. MR. WILKENFELD SECONDED, AND MOTION WAS UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED.
Finding of Fact: MR. WILKENFELD MOVED TO APPROVE THE FINDINGS FOR ITEM B UNDER NEW BUSINES AND WE FIND THEM CONSISTENT WITH RELEVANT SECTIONS OF THE CODE AS OUTLINED IN THE VILLAGE PLANNER'S MEMO OF FEBRUARY 27, 2006. MR. MITCHELL SECONDED, AND MOTION WAS UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED.
Next Meetings: March 13 and March 27 (Betty will be absent March 27)